Hi. Does anyone have the Saitek X45 Joystick and Throttle combination. Got
it at Best Buy recently. Are you happy with it. Can you suggest
assignments for it's numerous buttons and controls? Should I keep it or
return it?

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Dave Schwartz
Commack, NY

"Dave Schwartz" > wrote in message
et...
> Hi. Does anyone have the Saitek X45 Joystick and Throttle combination.

Yes

> it at Best Buy recently. Are you happy with it. Can you suggest
> assignments for it's numerous buttons and controls? Should I keep it or
> return it?


Why would you want to return a perfectly good working joystick ? Why buy it
if you didnt want it ?

For what its worth im very happy with mine althoug hi preferred the X36
(nicely colour, less annoying LEDs). I dont use many of the button
combinations, the only really useful ones i set are the thumbwheel rotary
for elevator trim and the forefinger 4 way had on the throttle for rudder
trim.

On that subject a rant, WHEN will MS enable me to set the rudder trim to a
rotary wheel ! The elevator is great, surely they should give us rudder
too.

"Richard Whitcombe" > wrote in message
:
: "Dave Schwartz" > wrote in message
:
: > Hi. Does anyone have the Saitek X45 Joystick and Throttle combination.
:
: Yes
:
: > it at Best Buy recently. Are you happy with it. Can you suggest
: > assignments for it's numerous buttons and controls? Should I keep it or
: > return it?
:
:
: Why would you want to return a perfectly good working joystick ? Why buy
it
: if you didnt want it ?
:
: For what its worth im very happy with mine althoug hi preferred the X36
: (nicely colour, less annoying LEDs). I dont use many of the button
: combinations, the only really useful ones i set are the thumbwheel rotary
: for elevator trim and the forefinger 4 way had on the throttle for rudder
: trim.
:
: On that subject a rant, WHEN will MS enable me to set the rudder trim to a
: rotary wheel ! The elevator is great, surely they should give us rudder
: too.
:

I'm with Richard on this one, Dave. I can see no reason to return an X45
system if you've already got a fully functioning one. I used to own the
first series Microsoft Force Feedback joystick - which was fine - but this
Christmas I went for the Saitek X45 because of the separate throttle. I did
have some concerns about the lack FF but when you get playing, you never
notice the absence of FF (or the presence of it either - it's 'just there',
in the background).

The configuration isn't quite as straight forward as it should be (drag and
drop is needed) and it isn't a flexible as it should be either (as Richard
notes). But these 'limitations' affect all controllers, not just the X45.

All in all, I'm very happy with mine. (The lack of FF also means there's not
another, annoying, power supply to plug in.) Full marks for Saitek!

Cheers,

Chris

Dave,

I have the X45 and I have to say that I love it. The only downfall is that
there's no way to connect rudder pedals to it ( But I wasn't willing to
spend 200 bucks for the future ability to connect pedals). As far as button
assignments. Go to the Saitek site and you can download profiles for it. I
use the FS2002 for fs( and it works just fine. It even assigns rudder to
both the rudder buttons ont he underside of the throttle and to one of the
throttle rotary switches. comes in handy trimming yaw while flying a helo.

Chuck



"Dave Schwartz" > wrote in message
et...
> Hi. Does anyone have the Saitek X45 Joystick and Throttle combination.
Got
> it at Best Buy recently. Are you happy with it. Can you suggest
> assignments for it's numerous buttons and controls? Should I keep it or
> return it?
>
> --
> Dave Schwartz
> Commack, NY
>
>

> I'm with Richard on this one, Dave. I can see no reason to return an X45
> system if you've already got a fully functioning one. I used to own the
> first series Microsoft Force Feedback joystick - which was fine - but this
> Christmas I went for the Saitek X45 because of the separate throttle. I
did
> have some concerns about the lack FF but when you get playing, you never
> notice the absence of FF (or the presence of it either - it's 'just
there',
> in the background).

I had a FFB stick as well, from my experience no game, including flight sim
modelled feedback properly - even in FS2002 (i havent tried 2004 with it)
was grotty and felt like a poorly tested addon after thought - it didnt help
my flying at all.


> The configuration isn't quite as straight forward as it should be (drag
and
> drop is needed) and it isn't a flexible as it should be either (as Richard
> notes). But these 'limitations' affect all controllers, not just the X45.

I tend not to use the saitek config software as the MS in game assignments
thing works well - the inability to bind rudder trim as an analogue axis is
a MS problem with the game itself and not the joystick - you wont bind it on
any controller for that reason.

Hmmm, I assigned the rudder axis to the thumb rotary on the throttle and
all is well. Even works on the helicopters.

John H.

Richard Whitcombe wrote:
>>I'm with Richard on this one, Dave. I can see no reason to return an X45
>>system if you've already got a fully functioning one. I used to own the
>>first series Microsoft Force Feedback joystick - which was fine - but this
>>Christmas I went for the Saitek X45 because of the separate throttle. I
>
> did
>
>>have some concerns about the lack FF but when you get playing, you never
>>notice the absence of FF (or the presence of it either - it's 'just
>
> there',
>
>>in the background).
>
>
> I had a FFB stick as well, from my experience no game, including flight sim
> modelled feedback properly - even in FS2002 (i havent tried 2004 with it)
> was grotty and felt like a poorly tested addon after thought - it didnt help
> my flying at all.
>
>
>
>>The configuration isn't quite as straight forward as it should be (drag
>
> and
>
>>drop is needed) and it isn't a flexible as it should be either (as Richard
>>notes). But these 'limitations' affect all controllers, not just the X45.
>
>
> I tend not to use the saitek config software as the MS in game assignments
> thing works well - the inability to bind rudder trim as an analogue axis is
> a MS problem with the game itself and not the joystick - you wont bind it on
> any controller for that reason.
>
>

I have been using this stick for quite a while now: I love it. I use CH
Pedals for the rudder though. I do not use the rudder in the stick. I can
send you the profile i use if you would like.

Contact me at


and I will print out a copy and E-Mail it

Denis

"John Hogan" > wrote in message
...
> Hmmm, I assigned the rudder axis to the thumb rotary on the throttle and
> all is well. Even works on the helicopters.
>

Sorry i mean rudder trim not rudder.

I use the x-45 and I love it. I can post a rundown of my assignment
settings if anyone is interested. I do not use any "profiles" when playing
flight sim. (I do use profiles for other games though) I just leave the
joystick's direct x assignments alone and assign functions from within
FS2004 itself. I also use ch usb pedals


"Richard Whitcombe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Schwartz" > wrote in message
> et...
> > Hi. Does anyone have the Saitek X45 Joystick and Throttle combination.
>
> Yes
>
> > it at Best Buy recently. Are you happy with it. Can you suggest
> > assignments for it's numerous buttons and controls? Should I keep it or
> > return it?
>
>
> Why would you want to return a perfectly good working joystick ? Why buy
it
> if you didnt want it ?
>
> For what its worth im very happy with mine althoug hi preferred the X36
> (nicely colour, less annoying LEDs). I dont use many of the button
> combinations, the only really useful ones i set are the thumbwheel rotary
> for elevator trim and the forefinger 4 way had on the throttle for rudder
> trim.
>
> On that subject a rant, WHEN will MS enable me to set the rudder trim to a
> rotary wheel ! The elevator is great, surely they should give us rudder
> too.
>
>

What do you mean, drag and drop configuration?
Dave


"Chris Burson" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Richard Whitcombe" > wrote in message
> :
> : "Dave Schwartz" > wrote in message
> :
> : > Hi. Does anyone have the Saitek X45 Joystick and Throttle
combination.
> :
> : Yes
> :
> : > it at Best Buy recently. Are you happy with it. Can you suggest
> : > assignments for it's numerous buttons and controls? Should I keep it
or
> : > return it?
> :
> :
> : Why would you want to return a perfectly good working joystick ? Why
buy
> it
> : if you didnt want it ?
> :
> : For what its worth im very happy with mine althoug hi preferred the X36
> : (nicely colour, less annoying LEDs). I dont use many of the button
> : combinations, the only really useful ones i set are the thumbwheel
rotary
> : for elevator trim and the forefinger 4 way had on the throttle for
rudder
> : trim.
> :
> : On that subject a rant, WHEN will MS enable me to set the rudder trim to
a
> : rotary wheel ! The elevator is great, surely they should give us rudder
> : too.
> :
>
> I'm with Richard on this one, Dave. I can see no reason to return an X45
> system if you've already got a fully functioning one. I used to own the
> first series Microsoft Force Feedback joystick - which was fine - but this
> Christmas I went for the Saitek X45 because of the separate throttle. I
did
> have some concerns about the lack FF but when you get playing, you never
> notice the absence of FF (or the presence of it either - it's 'just
there',
> in the background).
>
> The configuration isn't quite as straight forward as it should be (drag
and
> drop is needed) and it isn't a flexible as it should be either (as Richard
> notes). But these 'limitations' affect all controllers, not just the X45.
>
> All in all, I'm very happy with mine. (The lack of FF also means there's
not
> another, annoying, power supply to plug in.) Full marks for Saitek!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>

I couldn't assign the rotaries to anything.
Dave


"John Hogan" > wrote in message
...
> Hmmm, I assigned the rudder axis to the thumb rotary on the throttle and
> all is well. Even works on the helicopters.
>
> John H.
>
> Richard Whitcombe wrote:
> >>I'm with Richard on this one, Dave. I can see no reason to return an X45
> >>system if you've already got a fully functioning one. I used to own the
> >>first series Microsoft Force Feedback joystick - which was fine - but
this
> >>Christmas I went for the Saitek X45 because of the separate throttle. I
> >
> > did
> >
> >>have some concerns about the lack FF but when you get playing, you never
> >>notice the absence of FF (or the presence of it either - it's 'just
> >
> > there',
> >
> >>in the background).
> >
> >
> > I had a FFB stick as well, from my experience no game, including flight
sim
> > modelled feedback properly - even in FS2002 (i havent tried 2004 with
it)
> > was grotty and felt like a poorly tested addon after thought - it didnt
help
> > my flying at all.
> >
> >
> >
> >>The configuration isn't quite as straight forward as it should be (drag
> >
> > and
> >
> >>drop is needed) and it isn't a flexible as it should be either (as
Richard
> >>notes). But these 'limitations' affect all controllers, not just the
X45.
> >
> >
> > I tend not to use the saitek config software as the MS in game
assignments
> > thing works well - the inability to bind rudder trim as an analogue axis
is
> > a MS problem with the game itself and not the joystick - you wont bind
it on
> > any controller for that reason.
> >
> >
>

I would love to see your assignment settings if you have the time. thanx
Dave Schwartz
Commack, NY



"Roy" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> I use the x-45 and I love it. I can post a rundown of my assignment
> settings if anyone is interested. I do not use any "profiles" when
playing
> flight sim. (I do use profiles for other games though) I just leave the
> joystick's direct x assignments alone and assign functions from within
> FS2004 itself. I also use ch usb pedals
>
>
> "Richard Whitcombe" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Dave Schwartz" > wrote in message
> > et...
> > > Hi. Does anyone have the Saitek X45 Joystick and Throttle
combination.
> >
> > Yes
> >
> > > it at Best Buy recently. Are you happy with it. Can you suggest
> > > assignments for it's numerous buttons and controls? Should I keep it
or
> > > return it?
> >
> >
> > Why would you want to return a perfectly good working joystick ? Why
buy
> it
> > if you didnt want it ?
> >
> > For what its worth im very happy with mine althoug hi preferred the X36
> > (nicely colour, less annoying LEDs). I dont use many of the button
> > combinations, the only really useful ones i set are the thumbwheel
rotary
> > for elevator trim and the forefinger 4 way had on the throttle for
rudder
> > trim.
> >
> > On that subject a rant, WHEN will MS enable me to set the rudder trim to
a
> > rotary wheel ! The elevator is great, surely they should give us rudder
> > too.
> >
> >
>
>

I've had problems assigning rotaries to stuff too. I'd really like to
assign prop and mixture to rotaries on the throttle part but it never seems
to work too well.


"Dave Schwartz" > wrote in message
et...
> I couldn't assign the rotaries to anything.
> Dave
>
>
> "John Hogan" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hmmm, I assigned the rudder axis to the thumb rotary on the throttle and
> > all is well. Even works on the helicopters.
> >
> > John H.
> >
> > Richard Whitcombe wrote:
> > >>I'm with Richard on this one, Dave. I can see no reason to return an
X45
> > >>system if you've already got a fully functioning one. I used to own
the
> > >>first series Microsoft Force Feedback joystick - which was fine - but
> this
> > >>Christmas I went for the Saitek X45 because of the separate throttle.
I
> > >
> > > did
> > >
> > >>have some concerns about the lack FF but when you get playing, you
never
> > >>notice the absence of FF (or the presence of it either - it's 'just
> > >
> > > there',
> > >
> > >>in the background).
> > >
> > >
> > > I had a FFB stick as well, from my experience no game, including
flight
> sim
> > > modelled feedback properly - even in FS2002 (i havent tried 2004 with
> it)
> > > was grotty and felt like a poorly tested addon after thought - it
didnt
> help
> > > my flying at all.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>The configuration isn't quite as straight forward as it should be
(drag
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > >>drop is needed) and it isn't a flexible as it should be either (as
> Richard
> > >>notes). But these 'limitations' affect all controllers, not just the
> X45.
> > >
> > >
> > > I tend not to use the saitek config software as the MS in game
> assignments
> > > thing works well - the inability to bind rudder trim as an analogue
axis
> is
> > > a MS problem with the game itself and not the joystick - you wont bind
> it on
> > > any controller for that reason.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Saitek X-45
Joystick

Trigger Views
Pinkie Views Reverse
Launch Gear
A Panel
B Coordinates Framerate
C Autopilot
Hat 1 Up
Up/Right
Right
Down/Right

Down
Down/Left
Left
Up/Left
Hat 2 Up Elevator Trim Down
Up/Right
Right Rudder Trim Right
Down/Right
Down Elevator Trim Up
Down/Left
Left Rudder Trim Left
Up/Left
Saitek X-45 Throttle


D Spoilers
Hat 3 Up Increase Prop
Up/Right
Right Increase Mixture
Down/Right
Down Decrease Prop
Down/Left
Left Decrease Mixture
Up/Left
Mouse Button Tailhook
Mouse Up Retract Flaps
Up/Right

Right Open Cowl Flaps
Down/Right
Down Extend Flaps
Down/Left
Left Close Cowl Flaps
Up/Left
Aux 1
2
3
Rotary 1 Inc
Dec
Rotary 2 Inc
Dec
Rudder Rudder



"Dave Schwartz" > wrote in message et...
> I would love to see your assignment settings if you have the time. thanx
> Dave Schwartz
> Commack, NY

"Roy" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> I've had problems assigning rotaries to stuff too. I'd really like to
> assign prop and mixture to rotaries on the throttle part but it never
seems
> to work too well.
>
>
That big is easy, in the MS flight sim go into the control settings menu,
select AXIS and you can then assign the prop pitch, mixture and so on to a
rotary in there. You will need to alter the null zone and so on after that.

> I wish that Saitek would market the pedals from the R440 or R100
> racing wheel with the X45. The X45 is a good set up but needs
> real rudder pedals.
>

Ive got a MS FFB wheel with pedals and id love to be able to use though in
flight sim in combination with my stick. Not found a way yet though.




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Richard Whitcombe wrote:
>>I wish that Saitek would market the pedals from the R440 or R100
>>racing wheel with the X45. The X45 is a good set up but needs
>>real rudder pedals.
>>
>
>
> Ive got a MS FFB wheel with pedals and id love to be able to use though in
> flight sim in combination with my stick. Not found a way yet though.
>

Richard,

I'm sorry, I found the screenshots I took when setting up my MOMO pedals
but they make no sense to me. A small problem I have. I will post what
I have though, and to tell the truth, if I finally figured it out, you
should be able to get it going quickly.

The pedals work fine with both my Sidewinder Stick and the CH Yoke.


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Take care

boB

Flying FS2002 in Texas
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